I think its worth noting that in their proposal to TMPAC Quicktrip had the support of fellow Pearl District occupants like The Center, Hillcrest Credit Union, and others. Based on that I'm guessing not eveyone in that district is happy to adopt the form based codes.
You're missing the point. Pearl businesses and residents worked on its plans with the City down the years, resulting in City-approved Plans. The fact that half a dozen people - none of whom participated in the planning - show up for a beauty contest in front of the TMAPC or write a letter is irrelevant. Plans are written to be put to work. They're meaningless otherwise.
I think it very convenient for anyone to show up at the last minute to oppose any plan whether it be The Pearl District or any other plan unless they were active in it. Where were the detractors during the long years of planning? Unfortunately, not to be seen or heard, until now. How convenient.
QT did something similar with the Brookside Plan. The people and businesses in Brookside worked long and hard to create their plan negotiating and compromising with each other to come up with a fair and balanced development path and vision for the future. They expressly wanted to preserve any strutures (especially any historic art deco ones) or areas that were already pedestrian friendly and as new developments were created, have them be more pedestrian friendly as well. If a structure is torn down and rebuilt for instance, their wish is to have the new one be built up to the sidewalk and thus continue to grow and enhance the attractive pedestrian friendly nature of the area. Then QT basically said "screw you all". They tore out old buildings and increased the non-pedestrian space in Brookside in order to expand their gas station there. What they did in Brookside was terrible.
Facts will make your story more accurate and therefore more creditable. The Pearl District area is not in a Historic Preservation area and therefore former councilor Barnes attempt to do away with PUD's in those areas would not have helped this situation.
Additionally the TMAPC Chairman allowed Mr. Jamieson his due time that is set forth by the Planning Commission public hearing rules and then some.
I would challenge readers to go to www.tgovonline.org and click on On-demand at the top and then scroll down and find the 3/7/2012 Planning Commission Meeting and watch it for themselves. If this was the controversy that it is being made out to be then why was Mr. Jamieson the only one to speak against the application. Where are the so called herds of angry upset citizens in this area crying foul?
I see only a hand full of people continuously pushing to have this area developed a certain way. If you look at what QuikTrip is really doing in the area they are working to improve it and make it an entry way into an area that can be improved on and redeveloped. They are saying we want to continue to be a part of this area as it changes and support the citizens in this area.
Furthermore before streets can be closed it has to be approved by traffic engineering, the fire marshal, etc. which 10th street has been reviewed and ok'd for. Then streets have to be vacated by the City of Tulsa and then taken to District Court to be finally vacated. It is not a process that is just done over night and not thought about with zero consideration.
Lastly, an application like this will go before the City Council for final approval. INCOG Staff and the TMAPC do not approve anything like this. The TMAPC Commissions recommend approval or denial to the City Council who then has the last say unless taken to Court following their decision. The Process is laid out for citizens to get involved and have the chance to speak out.
Facts will make your story more accurate and therefore more creditable. The Pearl District area is not in a Historic Preservation area and therefore former councilor Barnes attempt to do away with PUD's in those areas would not have helped this situation.
Additionally the TMAPC Chairman allowed Mr. Jamieson his due time that is set forth by the Planning Commission public hearing rules and then some.
I would challenge readers to go to www.tgovonline.org and click on On-demand at the top and then scroll down and find the 3/7/2012 Planning Commission Meeting and watch it for themselves. If this was the controversy that it is being made out to be then why was Mr. Jamieson the only one to speak against the application. Where are the so called herds of angry upset citizens in this area crying foul?
I see only a hand full of people continuously pushing to have this area developed a certain way. If you look at what QuikTrip is really doing in the area they are working to improve it and make it an entry way into an area that can be improved on and redeveloped. They are saying we want to continue to be a part of this area as it changes and support the citizens in this area.
Furthermore before streets can be closed it has to be approved by traffic engineering, the fire marshal, etc. which 10th street has been reviewed and ok'd for. Then streets have to be vacated by the City of Tulsa and then taken to District Court to be finally vacated. It is not a process that is just done over night and not thought about with zero consideration.
Lastly, an application like this will go before the City Council for final approval. INCOG Staff and the TMAPC do not approve anything like this. The TMAPC Commissions recommend approval or denial to the City Council who then has the last say unless taken to Court following their decision. The Process is laid out for citizens to get involved and have the chance to speak out.
I would agree with "factorfiction" in that it seems that the Pearl District is continually pushed by "a hand full of people" such as Mr. Jameson and not by a mass of outraged citizens. I have some doubt over how many people were ever truly involved with this plan. Quicktrip, who is likely the largest entity inside the Pearl Distrct, were they not involved in the "long years" of planning? Were they ever invited? My guess would be no. Which is crazy because for a "walkable community" Quicktrip would be the only option for grocery items. I think the reality is that the Pearl District organizers would rather not have Quicktrip and other entities that don't fit their view of things in the district.
There are a lot of people who are for, not just the "Pearl District Plan" pers say, but who are really wanting Tulsa to be able to create good quality urban areas containing good urban development. The new comprehensive plan and the thousands who participated in that process showed that. I am sure the TYPros are one group that are pro "Form Based Codes" which is what the Pearl District Plan is based on, and Tulsa Now is another organization that I am sure is for good urban redevelopment and the Form Based Codes in the Pearl District. We have great car oriented suburban neighborhoods in and around Tulsa, but are very non-competitive as a city when it comes to being able to offer good urban living lifestyle choices. I would think that everyone would agree, no matter what you personally may want, that Tulsa being able to offer both superb suburban and superb urban living is important to our city and its future. If areas like downtown and the Pearl District are not the areas where we are going to create good urban, pedestrian friendly living... then in what areas will we?
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Facts will make your story more accurate and therefore more creditable. The Pearl District area is not in a Historic Preservation area and therefore former councilor Barnes attempt to do away with PUD's in those areas would not have helped this situation.
Additionally the TMAPC Chairman allowed Mr. Jamieson his due time that is set forth by the Planning Commission public hearing rules and then some.
I would challenge readers to go to www.tgovonline.org and click on On-demand at the top and then scroll down and find the 3/7/2012 Planning Commission Meeting and watch it for themselves. If this was the controversy that it is being made out to be then why was Mr. Jamieson the only one to speak against the application. Where are the so called herds of angry upset citizens in this area crying foul?
I see only a hand full of people continuously pushing to have this area developed a certain way. If you look at what QuikTrip is really doing in the area they are working to improve it and make it an entry way into an area that can be improved on and redeveloped. They are saying we want to continue to be a part of this area as it changes and support the citizens in this area.
Furthermore before streets can be closed it has to be approved by traffic engineering, the fire marshal, etc. which 10th street has been reviewed and ok'd for. Then streets have to be vacated by the City of Tulsa and then taken to District Court to be finally vacated. It is not a process that is just done over night and not thought about with zero consideration.
Lastly, an application like this will go before the City Council for final approval. INCOG Staff and the TMAPC do not approve anything like this. The TMAPC Commissions recommend approval or denial to the City Council who then has the last say unless taken to Court following their decision. The Process is laid out for citizens to get involved and have the chance to speak out.
Re: Neighborhood Davids vs. Goliath Corporation
Facts will make your story more accurate and therefore more creditable. The Pearl District area is not in a Historic Preservation area and therefore former councilor Barnes attempt to do away with PUD's in those areas would not have helped this situation.
Additionally the TMAPC Chairman allowed Mr. Jamieson his due time that is set forth by the Planning Commission public hearing rules and then some.
I would challenge readers to go to www.tgovonline.org and click on On-demand at the top and then scroll down and find the 3/7/2012 Planning Commission Meeting and watch it for themselves. If this was the controversy that it is being made out to be then why was Mr. Jamieson the only one to speak against the application. Where are the so called herds of angry upset citizens in this area crying foul?
I see only a hand full of people continuously pushing to have this area developed a certain way. If you look at what QuikTrip is really doing in the area they are working to improve it and make it an entry way into an area that can be improved on and redeveloped. They are saying we want to continue to be a part of this area as it changes and support the citizens in this area.
Furthermore before streets can be closed it has to be approved by traffic engineering, the fire marshal, etc. which 10th street has been reviewed and ok'd for. Then streets have to be vacated by the City of Tulsa and then taken to District Court to be finally vacated. It is not a process that is just done over night and not thought about with zero consideration.
Lastly, an application like this will go before the City Council for final approval. INCOG Staff and the TMAPC do not approve anything like this. The TMAPC Commissions recommend approval or denial to the City Council who then has the last say unless taken to Court following their decision. The Process is laid out for citizens to get involved and have the chance to speak out.
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