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Setting the Record Straight

Joe Miller talks Guts Fight Night and Luchapalooza


BY JENNIE LLOYD

UTW asked Joe Miller, director of the Oklahoma State Athletic Commission, to explain his role in regulating amateur boxing matches, like Guts Church's Fight Night VI on Sept. 21.

Guts Fight Night VI was an amateur boxing event, which ended in the death of George Clinkscale, 24, a few hours later.

People have made a fuss over Guts Church not applying for or receiving a permit to hold a boxing event. Miller said people are confused "because they don't understand that the commission has no jurisdiction or authority over the event that occurred at Guts Church."

Or any other amateur boxing events in Oklahoma. Amateur event-holders must seek sanction through USA Boxing, Miller said.

The Boxing Commission, which Miller called a "one-man office," only "sanctions and regulates 'professional' boxing, wrestling and MMA (mixed-martial arts)," he said. "The only amateur sport we regulate is MMA."

To apply for a professional wrestling or boxing event permit, the applicant must have a promoter license.



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On Oct. 1, luchadors battled in downtown Tulsa during the second annual Luchapalooza held by Elote, a local Mexican restaurant.

The colorful wrestling event, in contrast to Guts Fight Nights, was sanctioned and had two commission inspectors present during the bouts.

Elote co-owner Jeremy Auld holds a promoter license and has gotten permits for Luchador Nights and for Luchapalooza.

Miller emailed copies of approved permits for Luchador Nights on July 7, July 21, Aug. 4, Aug. 18, Sept. 1 and for Luchapalooza on Oct. 1.

So what's the big difference between an event like Luchapalooza and a Guts Fight Night? Well, the fighters themselves.

Elote's masked luchadors must get a professional wrestling license before throwing down in the ring, while none of the participants involved in Fight Night VI had licenses, Miller said.

The Fight Night's referee, Samuel Adams, and judges were not licensed and had no certifications, Miller said.

The commission's attorney has decided they can't prosecute a case against people involved with Guts Fight Nights.

On Thursday morning, Miller tried to contact Guts Church. He got a recording. When he finally talked to someone, she told him someone would call him back.

He wasn't able to speak to anyone until Wed., Sept. 28 -- seven days after the tragic incident occurred.

"They didn't really have anything to offer as a defense of it," he said. "They don't believe it was an illegal event. We have a little differing opinion there.

"I feel really bad for the kid," Miller said. "Combative sports are inherently dangerous and when you do them without the proper regulation, it's just a time bomb."

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5 comments posted for this article
Harry Johnson
 2/10/2012 - 10:58am
   Guts is a psychotic cult, boxing has no place in church.
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mmc0963
 10/12/2011 - 6:36pm
   Who cares about regulations at this point. Somebody who was a son, possibly a brother, and husband died. This is tragic. Violence in any form should not be promoted, especially by people who love Jesus. But forgiveness is available.........may this young mans soul rest in peace. And may the pain this has caused be gently eased.
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Joe Miller Moreon
 10/ 7/2011 - 11:02am
   Really Joe Miller??? Really? You had no idea that Guts Church was putting on, not the 1st or 2nd fight night, but the 6th!!! Not only was it the 6th fight night, but they promote these all over the place. Billboards, Facebook, Flyers, College grounds. I'm amazed that you can lie about not knowing about this event happening for 6 years. How can you compare Luchador fights and the Guts fight night? No fighters at Guts got paid? The Luchador fighters do. This artcle is pretty lame other than the fact that it continues to highlight how big of a Moreon Joe Miller is.
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swice3
 10/ 6/2011 - 8:20pm
   Mr Miller last week was pushing to have charges brought against Guts Chruch. But in his own words he admits ...The Boxing Commission, which Miller called a "one-man office," only "sanctions and regulates 'professional' boxing, wrestling and MMA (mixed-martial arts),"
   This was none of the above. it was a voluntary event where no-one got paid and no professional boxers were involved.
   
   What Mr Miller is also leaving out of his story is that the church DID in Fact (according to phone records) call the Boxing Commission TWICE in the past 5 years to ask if it needed to be regulated and were told No because it was not a professional or paid event.
   
   Let's see what the medial report reveils - as dozens of people knew George had a medical condition (including team mates from TU and friends) that he did not disclose when he signed up to box in this 1 minute / 3 round event.
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localforeignnative
 10/ 6/2011 - 2:56pm
   What a perfect way to show why you work for the free newspaper Urban Tulsa Weekly. Two weeks after the incident and you still do not have a fact straight. You should look into "investigative" reporting.
   
   Why not encourage researching sickle cell anemia instead of promoting Mr. Miller's ignorance in his own field?
   
   Here's an article that is a little more informative and compassionate on those with the condition:
   http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11742560
   
   Having Sickle Cell Anemia is also a time-bomb Mr. Miller, especially if you're an athlete. In the article Dennis Dodd states, "The list suggests that 35 years later, there is still a lack of knowledge about dealing with sickle cell trait. In a game known for its violence, it is not blows to the head, not paralysis, not heart conditions, not heatstroke that have killed the most players, but a simple physical anomaly."
   
   If you are required to sign a waiver to participate in a event and deny any previous medical history, how could you prosecute? How can you regulate a not for profit event?
   
   There was an ambulance on site that he immediately walked to and received an IV for the cramping. This was not due to complications from a boxing event with 16 oz. gloves and full head gear. After being a collegiate level football player, wouldn't you too suspect you would be fine for a little 4-6 minute boxing match at a church with more than adequate protective gear?
   
   His death is a horrible, horrible thing - please try to use it as a platform to promote awareness of the real problem - sickle cell anemia. You could make a difference, but instead you got distracted.
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